Comments on: There is something wrong here. http://tshafer.com/blog/2008/01/there-is-something-wrong-here.html "Well, we're in space; we might as well have lasers" Sun, 01 Aug 2010 18:40:23 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: tomshafer http://tshafer.com/blog/2008/01/there-is-something-wrong-here.html#comment-9 tomshafer Wed, 23 Jan 2008 19:09:59 +0000 http://tomshafer.name/2008/01/22/there-is-something-wrong-here.html#comment-9 <p>:) I think I'm gonna shut it down, though, as we are now starting to stray away from the original point of the conversation.</p> :) I think I'm gonna shut it down, though, as we are now starting to stray away from the original point of the conversation.

]]> By: embee http://tshafer.com/blog/2008/01/there-is-something-wrong-here.html#comment-8 embee Wed, 23 Jan 2008 03:38:05 +0000 http://tomshafer.name/2008/01/22/there-is-something-wrong-here.html#comment-8 <p>Love the attention this post got in such a short amount of time. Voices being heard... love it.</p> <p>I don't think there should be any shame, though, on either part. I mean think about it. It's a true conversation. We all come to each other with these conceptions... mis- or otherwise. Thm's conception of the original COMMENT.. not the church... led him to believe something about the said-church's mindset, resulting in a blog posting. Said church's pastor recognizes the misconception and voices a defense, as well as attempt to create a new image in the mind of dear Thm. What said church's pastor is hoping that everyone understands.</p> <p>Now onto MY conception. (keep in mind I'm only considering the EXCERPT of the comment from some unknown original location). Regardless of real feelings and opinions... we can only take in what we see. When a blog reads as the joke above... humorous undertones and good-intentioned jokes can lead people to believe something that (as having been clarified) isn't truth. As Christ-followers, we're called to spread TRUTH... in every form. [Insert understanding that I am a hypocrite who leads my life in lies against the truth of God everyday... in jealousy, pride, anger, and laziness...]. If the truth isn't that said church isn't number-dwelling, then maybe we should really take to heart what kind of lies our undertones might be spreading, rather than being ready for a defense. Stop the misconception from the start.</p> <p>Instead of letting kids believe that 5+2=52 before we correct them, teach them truth before the misunderstanding can even come up. Instead of giving people an opportunity to even fathom that said church is focused on numbers, whatever blog this is from should be speaking the truth of the church body's heart, rather than wasting time attempting to correct the misunderstanding.</p> Love the attention this post got in such a short amount of time. Voices being heard... love it.

I don't think there should be any shame, though, on either part. I mean think about it. It's a true conversation. We all come to each other with these conceptions... mis- or otherwise. Thm's conception of the original COMMENT.. not the church... led him to believe something about the said-church's mindset, resulting in a blog posting. Said church's pastor recognizes the misconception and voices a defense, as well as attempt to create a new image in the mind of dear Thm. What said church's pastor is hoping that everyone understands.

Now onto MY conception. (keep in mind I'm only considering the EXCERPT of the comment from some unknown original location). Regardless of real feelings and opinions... we can only take in what we see. When a blog reads as the joke above... humorous undertones and good-intentioned jokes can lead people to believe something that (as having been clarified) isn't truth. As Christ-followers, we're called to spread TRUTH... in every form. [Insert understanding that I am a hypocrite who leads my life in lies against the truth of God everyday... in jealousy, pride, anger, and laziness...]. If the truth isn't that said church isn't number-dwelling, then maybe we should really take to heart what kind of lies our undertones might be spreading, rather than being ready for a defense. Stop the misconception from the start.

Instead of letting kids believe that 5+2=52 before we correct them, teach them truth before the misunderstanding can even come up. Instead of giving people an opportunity to even fathom that said church is focused on numbers, whatever blog this is from should be speaking the truth of the church body's heart, rather than wasting time attempting to correct the misunderstanding.

]]> By: tomshafer http://tshafer.com/blog/2008/01/there-is-something-wrong-here.html#comment-7 tomshafer Tue, 22 Jan 2008 18:19:19 +0000 http://tomshafer.name/2008/01/22/there-is-something-wrong-here.html#comment-7 <p>Oh, for sure. For the record, I did not mean to imply that the Lifepoint staff are pushing this kind of a mentality. I have attended once before and everyone seems first-rate. I've simply been thinking about things like this a lot recently. Thanks for the posts, however! Clarity is never a bad thing...</p> <p>thm</p> Oh, for sure. For the record, I did not mean to imply that the Lifepoint staff are pushing this kind of a mentality. I have attended once before and everyone seems first-rate. I've simply been thinking about things like this a lot recently. Thanks for the posts, however! Clarity is never a bad thing...

thm

]]> By: Daryl Strickland http://tshafer.com/blog/2008/01/there-is-something-wrong-here.html#comment-6 Daryl Strickland Tue, 22 Jan 2008 18:05:43 +0000 http://tomshafer.name/2008/01/22/there-is-something-wrong-here.html#comment-6 <p>I agree with you Tom. God is counting the ones in the houses on Sunday's, not the ones in the chairs.</p> <p>Just for the record we don't get excited when people come to Lifepoint from other churches. From bars in town, yes. From golf courses, yes. From sleeping in, yes but not from other churches, even good ones.</p> I agree with you Tom. God is counting the ones in the houses on Sunday's, not the ones in the chairs.

Just for the record we don't get excited when people come to Lifepoint from other churches. From bars in town, yes. From golf courses, yes. From sleeping in, yes but not from other churches, even good ones.

]]> By: Jeff Kapusta http://tshafer.com/blog/2008/01/there-is-something-wrong-here.html#comment-5 Jeff Kapusta Tue, 22 Jan 2008 18:01:42 +0000 http://tomshafer.name/2008/01/22/there-is-something-wrong-here.html#comment-5 <p>Tom,</p> <p>I pastor that "other church" and I want you to know that I echo you sentiments completely. The last thing we want are people from other churches. Because our style is similar to yours, we get the "you're like port city only smaller" label quite a bit.</p> <p>Last time I checked there are people in Wilmington who do not know Jesus. Our mission is to reach them with the love of Christ. Please don't hold this comment against us.</p> <p>I think you guys are doing an incredible job and I pray for Mike and Pc3. I'll never forget the phone call I got from Mike the day before our launch to encourage me and let me know that you guys were praying for us.</p> <p>Keep it up!</p> Tom,

I pastor that "other church" and I want you to know that I echo you sentiments completely. The last thing we want are people from other churches. Because our style is similar to yours, we get the "you're like port city only smaller" label quite a bit.

Last time I checked there are people in Wilmington who do not know Jesus. Our mission is to reach them with the love of Christ. Please don't hold this comment against us.

I think you guys are doing an incredible job and I pray for Mike and Pc3. I'll never forget the phone call I got from Mike the day before our launch to encourage me and let me know that you guys were praying for us.

Keep it up!

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